WebWhen Sauls agents came up, she pretended that David was ill and placed a household idol and a net of goats hair in his bed, as if her husband were still lying there (vv. So, others besides Saul were guilty. II Samuel 21:1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. WebThe alliance with the Gibeonites lasted for centuries, until Saul - in his zeal (21, 2) - decided that the ancient covenant was no longer binding. This was a long time ago. WebTranslation Details for 2 Samuel 21:1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. But, he did not. We are talking about the possibility of only two of the seven even remotely having any guilt in this matter whatsoever. THE STORY OF JOSEPH - Perhaps he thought, "Hmm. God required atonement to be made. Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. How many wars were fought? VERSE 2. There is no indication in II Samuel 21 that David got advice from any of his ministers about how to deal with this situation. In effect, what they wanted to do was hang the bodies of Saul's family in Saul's hometown in sight of Jerusalem. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God. Then we have the explanations of which we just went over. 4. It was not just Saul, but other members of his family. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. However, the Gibeonites did. They fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and they were stuck. But, the big thing was that he did not consult God about what he should do about it. You might say a whole cycle of generations. WebOne of the mothers of the men hanged by the Gibeonites protected the bodies of Saul's sons from birds and wild beasts day and night. Ezekiel 18 makes it clear that God punishes people for their own iniquity. The consequences are not the guilt. Report, September 02 2013 And Samuel says, "See? 3:6: "for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life"? Finally, someone says to David, "Hey, did you know that Rizpah has been out on a rock for six months, sitting there day after day, protecting the corpses from birds and such, because the Gibeonites won't let her take them down and bury them? Two years is a long time. He is able to judge justly. Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned for forty -two years over Israel. They got a couple of their men, maybe elders, and got them to appear like they came along distance. It takes into consideration things like accidental death, and premeditation. God punished the whole nation for breaking the covenant. Web2 Samuel 21:2 indicates that King Saul pursued the Gibeonites and sought to kill them off "in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah" (2 Samuel 21:5). Then there is another thing. Who was the father of Mephibosheth? So they fell, all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest. WebThe Lord answered, Saul and his family of murderers are the reason for this shortage, because he killed the Gibeonites. 2 Samuel 21:1 American Standard Version (ASV) 1 And there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David sought the face of Jehovah. Saul killed a lot of people. How many died in sicknesses? After that, God heeded the prayer of the land. The Israelites had promised not to The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. Then they answered the king, "As for the man who consumed us and plotted against us, that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the territories of Israel, "let seven men of his descendants be delivered to us, and we will hang them before the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD chose." It does not seem to me that during this time of the three years of famine David was emulating the attitude that he wrote about in Psalm 34. He could have done whatever he wanted. The verb is used in this sense with respect to Joshua's action toward the Gibeonites in Joshua 9:27, where cultic servitude is involved ("for the altar of the Lord"). Then they answered the king, "As for the man who consumed us and plotted against us, that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the territories of Israel, "let seven men of his descendants be delivered to us, and we will hang them before the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD chose." Evidently, he thought that he could win back his kingdom if he zealously did God's will. As Christians living amidst spiritual famine, we dare not compromise with the culture around us. Her actions made David realize that he had violated another of God's commands by leaving the bodies of Saul, Jonathan, and the seven other sons unburied. A snare is a trap. The LORD is near to those who have a broken heart, and saves such as have a contrite spirit. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he. Such a shame to destroy it all! 2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the This was history now. The latter believed that Saul's desire was to destroy them utterly. Saul, after having disqualified himself from being king, sought to ingratiate himself with God by killing Canaanites, including an unrecorded massacre of Gibeonites. And the LORD answered, It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, Hebrews 11 exhibits a whole chapter of men and women just like us who, despite their humanity and frequent foibles, fought the good fight of faith and were victorious in the end through the grace of God. If the Gibeonites brought guile and deceit into the land; it was Saul who set the example for deep and devastating delusion. And how do I know this? Because he may have been still depressed by Absalom's death. He just let the natural cycles take their course. WebThe Gibeonite Deception - Now when all the kings west of the Jordan heard about these thingsthe kings in the hill country, in the western foothills, and along the entire coast of the Mediterranean Sea as far as Lebanon (the kings of the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites) they came together to wage war against Joshua and Another group, however, argues that as God's anointed king, The prophet Zechariah asks a question that is forever pertinent to all spiritual considerations and decisions: "For who hath despised the day of small things?" David did all this, it seems, off the top of his head. How did the spirit of God move upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2? And then King David inquired of the Lord. On the mammoth scene of world history this minor alliance would rank as a minute encounter. And it very seriously affected his judgment in this matter. Today, I want to visit one of King David's lesser-known black marks, and draw some lessons from it at the end. Justice seems to have been served. It does not seem so. And we bear the guilt with them for that. Or as the Gibeonites said Saul consumed them and tried to destroy them a people Israel had entered into a covenant with 400 years earlier. Other people do not carry the guilt for that person's sin. It would be the equivalent of an event somewhere between the Korean War and the Vietnam War. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. This is what we have to learnunderstanding the distinction between guilt for sin, and the lingering effects of sin. 6. It was as if David earlier said, "Let's just get this out of the way. And they went to Joshua, to the camp at Gilgal, and said to him and to the men of Israel, "We have come from a far country; now therefore, make a covenant with us. You're out of here!". David represents usJoe Church Membertrue Christians in a time of spiritual famine, much like what Amos describes in Amos 8:11, with the famine of the word. What do we do in a time of spiritual famine? You are no longer fit to be king." Why did God allow the Gibeonites to put to death seven of Sauls sons? Some unfinished business here needs to be taken care of. God did not necessarily overlook all their sins, but He certainly forgave them. 2. WebKing Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. WebA three years' famine in the days of David was attributed to God's anger at the unexpiated crime of Saul in slaying the Gibeonites. He apparently killed Perhaps those first two, Armoni, and Mephibosheth were old enough to have participated in the event. "Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? He was far from God during this time. Summary:2 Samuel Chapter 212 Samuel 21 Avenging the Gibeonites A. David avenges the Gibeonites. He sees the hearts of men and the hidden actions of men. The Gibeonites decided on a different strategy. It says a bit later that somebody told him what that woman was doing out there protecting the bodies of the slain men of Saul's house for the past six months and it was as though he said, "Oh really? However, if they did not participate, they are not going to be given a black mark by God for something that they did not do. but Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. Web2 Samuel 21:1 Context. He says to watchbe aware, be awake, be vigilant; know what your spiritual state is. WebSaul kills the gentile Gibeonites (2 Sam 21) & banishes mediums in preparation for Tabernacle being moved from Nob to Gibeon. And the Gibeonites said to him, "We will have no silver or gold from Saul or from his house, nor shall you kill any man in Israel for us." You see, famine on the scale like thisthree yearsis a sign from God that things were not copacetic in the land. He was setting us an example of what we should be doing in a spiritual sense. And the king said, "I will give them." Evidently, this is what Saul and most of his family was like, except Jonathan. During the time of the judges, the Israelites had repeatedly turned away, leaving them corrupt and faithless. In addition, his own soldiers had to tell him, "David, you just don't have it anymore. But so did David. Then Ishbi-Benob, who was one of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose bronze spear was three hundred shekels, who was bearing a new sword, thought he could kill David. But Abishai the son of Zeruiah came to his aid, and struck the Philistine and killed him. 2 Samuel 21:2 At this, David summoned the Gibeonites and spoke to them. We would like to make a covenant with you.". So, give or take, 40 to 50 years have passed. Yes, my lord, he answered. A person dies for his own sins, not those committed by someone else, whether father, son, or black sheep uncle. II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the L ORD. II Samuel 21:14 So they performed all that the king commanded. Some interesting similarities to New Testament times occur to me: The fact that David made a covenant with Jonathan regarding Jonathans house (1 Sam 20:14-16), would take precedence over all other reasons not to give up Mephibosheth, I would suppose. The two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul ( v.8 ) Psalm 34:4-10 I sought the LORD, and He heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. Spiritual virtues and qualities are largely unseen yet are more real and potent in lasting effects than the most formidable nuclear pile. WebThe Gibeonites Hang Saul's Descendants 21 While David was king, there were three years in a row when the nation of Israel could not grow enough food. 5. It causes a problem in the way that the next generation is formed. There are things like destruction for their sin, and the family takes that long to recover from that destruction. If you look at a map in the back of your Bible which has something to do with the conquest of Israel, you will see that Gilgal is right over the Jordan River, just on the eastern side of the land. A good answer provides new insight and perspective. So they answered Joshua and said, "Because your servants were clearly told that the LORD your God commanded His servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you.". The chronicler, herewhoever he wasis giving us a big hint that David's attention was elsewhere for three whole years. Wherever he turned, he harassed them. Why does the Bible say David spared Mephibosheth then offered him to the Gibeonites to be killed? King David came at it from a position of weakness, not of one who knew God's law and could answer these people from spiritual strength. Finally, after six or seven months, the rains came in their natural cycle. What should we get out of this? Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comments: It was a heathen practice to gibbet men with a view of appeasing the anger of the gods in seasons of famine, and the Gibeonites, who were a remnant of the Amorites, though brought to the knowledge of the true God, were not, it seems, free from this superstition. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. The soul who sins shall die. David did not come to this with any regal neutrality in the least. The words "thirty" and "forty" are not in the original Hebrew. Leviticus 26:18-20 And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. It is not genetic. Where are they from? Then Gibeon was a mile or two more to the north-northwest. God's correction may come a Then they replied, It was Saul who planned to destroy us, to keep us from having any place at all in Israel. As mentioned earlier, there was the rebellion of Absalom. ", "She's been doing that for six months? There should have been payment for it. lorraine goode. God revealed that this calamity happened because of "Saul and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites ." They may not have been involved at all, depending on how early in Saul's reign this event took place. That is that he could have gone along with the Gibeonite's demands in order to get rid of seven possible contenders for his throne. Let's see what's in our bag of tricks. Seven of Sauls descendants were hanged as a result. He did not negotiate at all. It was common knowledge. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. Only after three days did they discover that their "far-distant" allies were really next-door neighbors! The stories of such people like Abel, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, and on through the chapter give us hope that like them we can overcome and be assured of entering the Kingdom of God. Gave 7 of Saul's sons to the Gibeonites. II Samuel 21:7 But the king spared Mephibosheth the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. Most people living in modern, Western culture better identify with flawed heroes, rather than perfect heroes. It would have been the answer. Back in I Samuel 15, Saul was told by God through Samuel to go up against the Amalekites, and to destroy everything in sight, do not spare anything; exterminate them. So let seven of Sauls sons or grandsons be handed over to us, and we will execute them before the Lord at Gibeon, on the mountain of the Lord.. Notice God declares that the bloodguilt was not just on Saul, but also his house. He just simply rolled over. In other words, we want them to be just like us. All they wanted, they said, was a peace treaty with Israel; then they would return to their distant home. He attempted the genocide of II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. It is his sin. 1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year. They probably went from Gibeon by some circuitous route so they did not come directly from the west where they actually lived. Spiritual Strongholds (Part Two): Faithful Trust. HERALDS OF HOLOCAUST WebA famine lasting three years hit Israel during the earlier half of David 's reign at Jerusalem. The angel of the LORD encamps all around those who fear Him, and delivers them. The Gibeonites take the young men and essentially lynch them, leaving the bodies of Sauls sons and grandsons to rot, exposed and humiliated in the presence of God at a local shrine. Joshua 9:3-6 But when the inhabitants of Gibeon heard what Joshua had done to Jericho and Ai, they worked craftily [remember that], and went and pretended to be ambassadors. EVIL'S ULTIMATE END. He had to plead to God for clearing and forgiveness, for cleaning up, because he knew it was not in himself to do that. Notice the timing and the manner of the execution. Finally the light came on, and David said, "I had better ask what is going on here. Christ says, Luke 21:34-35 "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. The second is at the end of verse 2, that "Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for Israel and Judah." He realized how often, and how far, he strayed from God's way of life. That is how we overcome the dearth of the truth and the dearth of righteousness in our day. What have they done? It shows you just how far things had sunk in the land. They did not ask, "God, what should we do to these people, the Gibeonites? Now, turn to the episode of King David, which we introduced. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! This cultural thing about wanting our heroes flawed is so deeply ingrained in us that we cannot imagine anyone going through life without sin. See? or who shall stand in his holy place? Web11 Then the king sent for the priest Ahimelek son of Ahitub and all the men of his family, who were the priests at Nob, and they all came to the king. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. Because of what had been going on, all the turmoil in this life and the kingdom, David was not spiritually prepared to face it. Has the book of Amos been fulfilled or is it a reference to end times? Now the Gibeonites were not of the people of Israel but of the remnant of the Amorites. This traditional doctrine, as heard in a Catholic or Protestant church, would say that this sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden rests upon us still. Things were going wrong. It springs out when you are not ready. CONFLICT OF THE AGES ARTICLES Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. and for his bloody house. But the consequences of their sinswhat it means to us; what happened because of their sinstill affects us today. He has mercy, and holds the curses to just a few generations, but He allows the results of doing righteousness to last forever. Saul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. And the Lord said, "There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death. There was not a cloud in sight and you are the king. Joshua 9:25-27 "And now, here we are, in your hands; do with us as it seems good and right to do to us." 17 Then the children of Israel journeyed and came to their cities on the third day. We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. But certainly, David was. Yet, the Bible specifically says in Hebrews 4:15 that He was without sin. If we would go through Luke 21:7-12, we would see that Jesus gave His disciples indications of what would happen if the time of the end began. Report Vote Up Just tell me and I will do it for you.. Although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. There is demotion. Only in one sense, there was a fall of man, but certainly not in the traditional sense. Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. David did not make any counter demands. ", The Gibeonites, we are told, were not necessarily a warlike people. And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. It is after Absalom's rebellion. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Then David went and took the bones of Saul, and the bones of Jonathan his son, from the men of Jabesh Gilead who had stolen them from the street of Beth Shan, where the Philistines had hung them up, after the Philistines had struck down Saul in Gilboa. Where have you been, David? I Samuel 14:47-48 So Saul established his sovereignty over Israel, and fought against all his enemies on every side, against Moab, against the people of Ammon, against Edom, against the kings of Zobah, and against the Philistines. Here are guidelines to help facilitate a meaningful learning experience for everyone. They had remembered it for 40 or 50 years. The rest of the Canaanites resented the defection of the Hivites which so greatly weakened the forces for defense, and, headed by Adoni-zedek of Jerusalem, they assembled to wreak vengeance on Gibeon. Nob. For a relatively small group the Gibeonites drove a hard bargain and soon it was a done deal. The Gibeonites left their mark on Israel's history in another wretched incident involving Good question. And David sought the face of the Lord. He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God of his salvation" Psalm 24:4-5. Numbers 35:29-33 And these things shall be a statute of judgment to you throughout your generations in all your dwellings. However, this chapter drops a few hints about it. They were probably in middle age, 45-60. And we are supposed to be ready. My reading between the lines concludes that King David was at a spiritual low point at this time. Why was Satan so effective in influencing the actions of Eve? He does not seem to have asked the priest who would know the law the best to find out what Scripture said about situations like this. Community answers are sorted based on votes. Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who trusts in Him! They wanted the God of Israel to take it in the eye. WebThis points to their employment in the sanctuary; and possibly may shed some light on the massacre of the Gibeonites by Saul (2 Samuel 21:1). How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? Think about it. He simply folded, giving the Gibeonites everything they wanted. And they took old sacks on their donkeys, old wineskins torn and mended, old and patched sandals on their feet, and old garments on themselves; and all the bread of their provision was dry and moldy. Deuteronomy 32:4. Berean Literal Bible Acts 13:21. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. There is a great deal more than what meets the eye. He gives them exactly what they want, and look at what happens. Another thing that God said to do was not done. fit into Creation? The last time Saul did swear not to kill David, Saul swore "by YHWH" not to kill david he broke it many times over since. Now, if they participated in his sin, then of course, they will bear the guilt for their participation in that sin. If what happened against Gibeon occurred during Saul's reign, even if it was in the latter half, it would mean it was at least (if we are in the last decade of King David's reign) that the massacre of Gibeonites occurred 40 or 50 years earlier. It did not come the next week, or the next month, or the month after that, all through the summer and into the fall holy days. No silver or gold from that house. He had a body of law that he could have referred back to and come up with a solution. He will not relent. Numbers 35:34 "Therefore do not defile the land which you inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell; for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel.'". Now that we have established that there was a horrible massacre at some point in the past, remember there was sin, and there was a crime committed. He decided to let the Gibeonites dictate everything. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. 1. They were a group of Amorites. It is the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. Before she married David, Abigail had been the wife of _____. And the king said, "I will give them.". Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! WebMany centuries later (the period from the exodus of Israel to the reign of Saul is generally considered to be about 400 years), Saul came to the throne in Israel. Should the explanation in Genesis on how God created plants before the sun affect the understanding of creation? The Lord told them they had made a commitment to these people and they had to stand by it. It has got to go. They had a more bloody and violent systemwhich often led to blood feuds that may not ever end until a whole family or generation was gone. Had David been righteous and been crying out to God, God would have heard him. Why did he not seem to notice the first year and say to himself, "Hmm. If we think that we have it all figured out, I am sorry, we do not. God affirms that the famine is punishment for Sauls massacre of the Gibeonites, who had been protected by a treaty since the Israelites first invaded the Promised Land ( Joshua 9:127 ). Evidently, that is what he did. There were no cell phones. The choice by Adam and Eve in the garden was a sin, and they paid for it through death. Therefore, your kingdom is taken away and given to another. . Perhaps the Scriptures are contrasting the faithless actions of Saul and his house in regard to the covenant with the Gibeonites, with the faithful actions of David in regard to the covenant with Jonathan. Saul tried to get back his throne from God by doing what he thought was right, what he thought was zealous for God, by getting rid of the foreignersincluding the Gibeonitesthat were among them. Back to the Gibeonitesmost people probably did not remember it. And she did not allow the birds of the air to rest on them by day nor the beasts of the field by night. They were going to come in there and just exterminate. He was not thinking spiritually. They are two separate things. I also want you to see how warlike Saul was. Joshua did try to make lemonade out of his lemons. Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall go out no more with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.". Saul agreed, and off he went. David may have begun to think about this now, "What is going on here? 20, and still another between Saul and David in 1 Samuel 24. He received good marks in Scripture. After 7-10 years of war, David has solidified his empire Mar 2, 2022. Verse 1 did say that it was "Saul and his bloodthirsty house" who had massacred the Gibeonites. A little further down, we read: II Samuel 21:2 . They did not inquire. DESTRUCTION AND CORRUPTION They do what their flesh tells them to dowhat Satan inspires them to want to doand they do it. By this time, Moses had died and was buried. Then they asked for a king, and God gave them Saul son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. There is nothing to give you any indication that God was involved in anything except the faminetrying to teach David a lesson. David asked. Jonathan. You can read about them for yourself in the Book of Joshua, chapters nine and ten. Even so, maybe there were even worse problems, perhaps, and David was blind to them for three years. And, it certainly does not record that David took this to God for His solution to it. The Bible doesnt really say. This is taken from the book Antiquities of the Jews, pg. 7: AFTER this, when the country was greatly afflicted with a Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. Even their empty wine skins were completely dried up and cracked. It is easy to read this story blithely, and to think that David righted some longstanding wrongs that had happened, and then God happily sent rain to the parched land of Israel. God said explicitly to destroy everything! The time had passed. II Samuel 21:1-2 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. It is not there in the Scriptures. King David, for example, made huge errors in judgment and committed colossal sins. (Now the Gibeonites were not Israelites, but a remnant of the Amorites. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. This incident appears in time sequence toward the end of his life. 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